The Great YouTube Debate 14 (Sporking!)

I just have to spork Ego. He’s begging for it. You’ve called me a coward twice, Ego. I’m not letting you off without mocking you to Hell and back. I’m in bold.

 

LOL. your rule. not my rule.. And does that make it any less true? cutting and pasting isn’t a problem only those that don’t like what is pasted contradicts what they say seems to be the biggest problem I have come across. Tut tut; excuses, excuses, Ego. You’re copying and pasting because you cannot write an argument which makes sense. But your people yeah.. they will agree with that. but there are many that see it like I do.. pasting something doesn’t mean someone is losing a debate.. Nope, pasting something means you’re plagiarizing someone’s work. so I guess you better never past anything from scientific america.. Oh, you won’t catching me pasting anything in such huge amounts. I might quote one or two phrases to support my points and put proper citations, but entire passages from the Bible? Ego, do you think you can get God to argue for you? or any statements a scientist who supports evoltuion.. Scientists, Ego, do not support ‘evoltuion’, whatever that is, but they do support evolution. better not quote them.. will you give that same treatment to your friends. I wonder. My friends would never be foolish enough to copy and paste huge chunks of text.
 
(Did I say that Jesus’ teachings don’t mean anything? I most certainly did not. Of course, considering Ego’s level of English language, it’s easy for him to misinterpret things.)
 
My reply:
 
Lol Is this your favourite word, by the way? Figures. It’s got three letters and two of them are repeated. Seems like it’s the only type of word you can spell correctly. this went way over your head. your comparison of Mohammads repentance to Jesus is watering down what Jesus ment by repentance.. that is my point.. comparing similiar things in different faiths. waters down the message presented in Scripture. but i’m not surprise. Hey, does anyone know where I can get a nonsense translator? I can’t seem to understand what Ego’s saying. Does comparing similar beliefs water down said beliefs?
 
Repentance means ‘turn away from sin and back to the laws of God’. Very simple. The laws of God are the Ten Commandments and the commandment to love one another. I don’t quote the Bible when I know the idea off the top of my head. Of course, given your very twisted understanding of Christ’s teachings, I’m sure you have a different understanding of the word ‘repentance’, don’t you, Ego?
 
My reply:
no that isn’t what repetance means in theology. LOL.. like I said it go’s to show you.. that your lack of theological training shows.
 
1) to change one’s mind, i.e. to repent Okay. Repent, Ego. Change your mind and turn to the rational side!
 
2) to change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins Yes, Ego. Change your mind for the better and become rational! Well, that might be a bit too much to ask…
 
That’s what repentance means. When people are called to repent it’s not to follow the ten commandments it’s not a works based faith it is recognizing you are a sinner and need of a Holy God in it’s truest sense.. LOL.. and it appears you might not have done this.
 
You said:
You’re now speaking for the millions of Christians on earth? You really are egotistical, aren’t you?
 
My reply:
What a oxymoronic statement. In Debate #12, you said that Christians are shaking their head at me.. and that gives the appearance that 100’s of christians LOL.. that would be your definition of Christian which I would argue isn’t the biblical christians if you are the representation of that.. so don’t call me egotitical when you yourself said Christians are shaking their heads at me.. LOL All right, let’s do a poll and see how many people support you. You do realize that the reason why so many people are mocking the Creation Museum, atheist, Christian, Jew and Muslim alike, is because they do believe it is utterly ridiculous?

 
You said:
Qur’an says a lot of things. People interpret it as a Book of Symbols. For your information, even devout Muslims obeyed Mohammed’s first command to respect the people of the book. Usama ibn Munqidh thought that the Christians were a barbaric lot, but he still had Christian friends.
 
My reply:
Yeah.. cowards way out.. just say people interpet the Quran as a book of symbols like yourself..Um, Islamic theologians interpret it as a book of symbols. You think they’re taking the easy way out then? when someone has shown you that you are in error for saying or leading people to think that Mohammad consider Christians to be friends.. that is far from the history of Mohammads life.. LOL Do you know anything about Mohammed’s life apart from the fact that he recited the Qur’an and had many wives?
 
You said:
Former’ Muslim, meaning he turned against Islam and therefore would be biased against Islam.
 
My reply:
LOL.. the issue isn’t being bias.. it’s going to a better source of someone who knows more about the faith then yourself who lived in the country, grew up a Muslim, knows more about the context of the Quran then yourself.. no different then going to one of your bias Evolutionary scientist who are bias against supernaturalism.. LOL.. Actually, bias is always an issue. Historians teach you to be careful of sources with potential bias.
 
You said:
Muslims and Jews are persecuted too. Don’t think that Christians are special. As for martyrs like Eulogius, they wanted to die. One does not stand in a Muslim city, call Mohammed a devil-worshipper in public, do it multiple times after multiple warnings, and expect to live.
 
My reply:
Gave no examples at all.. LOL I don’t care for lip service.
Jews are persecuted by Muslims still to this day.. And Muslims are persecuted by Jews to this day. Palestine, hello? And then there are the Christians who persecute Jews, and the Christians who persecute Muslims… I can go on and on, but it just makes me depressed. anyone can follow the things going on in Jerusalem.. and Muslims.. yeah.. give an example. because people that talk negative about Islam are speaking against the Terrorism.. Terrorism is the result of said persecution. and that isn’t persecuation dear.. Oxymoronic; it’s obvious you hate me.  LOL Muslims are not being persecuted like the Apostles were for following Jesus.. Of course not; the Romans had not invented electrocution yet. or modern day Christians which I gave already an example of people I know who experienced this in this century.. go read
 
Fox’s Book of Martyrs again.. it documents Christian persecution for following Jesus.. that is what we are talking about.. go to http://www.persecution.org/suffering/index.php that talks about modern day persecution. and in America.. LOL. prayer is taken out of schools when this nation was founded on Christian priciples.. where Bible were read in school as a text.. we don’t get the same treatment in america as other faiths do.. I live here and I know that first hand… America being the whole world, right?
 
You said:
And in the rest of the world, Muslims are discriminated against.
 
My reply:
Nothing to back this at all.. no reference to what type of discrimination.. u mentioned what the American Soldiers did.. but that is it… the rest of the world show they are being persecuted for following Mohammad. showing me Muslims dying for being Muslims.. All right, at airports, Muslims are being selected for random security checks. Their TVs are dismantled and quarantined because people think there are bombs in them. People call them names like ‘towelheads’ and draw insulting cartoons of their prophet. Westerners take their land and don’t give a damn if they live in poverty in refugee camps. Abu Ghraib. The ‘terrorists’ in Palestine who are fighting for their brethren. The ‘terrorists’ who are fighting U.S. convoys in Iraq. In his own twisted way, Osama bin Laden and his ilk are martyrs. Misguided, yes, but they believe they are working/dying for a just cause. You know, if he hadn’t decided to take this path, Osama would have been very rich and living in luxury. Now, he’s hiding somewhere in a cave, probably falling ill, and with very little except a position as a figurehead for the Mujahideen and inspiring them to be martyrs for Islam.
 
You said:
So the Good Samaritan won’t get to Heaven because he doesn’t believe in the right thing? So why did Jesus tell the parable?
 
My reply:
Totally ignored what I said after… LOL.. it debunks your claim that actions get a person into heaven.. no.. having faith in Jesus as the theif on the cross next to Jesus was told he was going to Paradise because of his faith in Jesus.. Hey, the Good Samaritan never professes his faith in Jesus.
 
Are you kidding me.. why did Jesus tell the parable? Why ask me.. like you really care? If you don’t recall, the purpose of the parable was loving your neighbor, showing mercy, etc.. Uh huh…I made that point last time; that is the way to Heaven. You said no way. Jesus told who He was speaking to directly, to go and do likewise. Jesus was teaching the Lawyer that right thinking isn’t the only thing because the Lawyer had to also put that into practice.. Jesus was speaking to a Jew.. so that is what the Jewish Lawyer would have understood.. practice what you preach. But if a person is truely saved.. Fruit would accompany that.. you seem to leave off the rest of the NT. A person doesn’t get into heaven by being good.. in fact let me mentioned another parable that proves that. The parable of the Rich Young Man.. in that parable.. the man thought he was living right by keeping the commandments. but Jesus made it clear.. Mark chapter 10:17.. read it.. anyone who reads that would see that it’s not about how good you are, or the commandments if you keep them..
because if you break one commandment you are guilty of breaking all of them..
 
You said:
Nowhere does it say ‘dogmatic unconditional belief in everything written in the Bible’.
 
My reply:
Yes it does I already gave it.. but you simple explained it away thru your improvising of the text.. You mean you quoted Paul, and not Christ. Jesus told Satan that man lives on every word that comes out of the mouth of God. Any unbiased theologian who have studied the text will tell you that everywhere God speaks, and the people God used you pay attention to what is said. From Moses to the Apostle John, from Genesis to Revelations.. The word of God, not the word of the Bible. I don’t believe that every word in the Bible is the word of God.
 
You obviously need an example.. John wrote John 3:16 quoting what Jesus said.. that He is the only way to Heaven.. that is the Word of God, and if you deny that u are denying how to get to heaven. I suggest you study good theology. Jesus’ way is the only way to Heaven. Fanatical discriminating ways are not.
 
Matthew 4:4
Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man does not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ ” Already answered.
 
Christians that practice orthodoxy.. Which version? Lutheran? Coptic? Eastern Orthodox? Russian Orthodox? Catholic Orthodox? Syriac Orthodox? Armenian Orthodox? You know, they’re all different. know what I’m talking about.. the bible records things Satan says.. but that isn’t what we are talking about.. but every word that leads people to the God of the Bible, to Jesus or Salvation.. etc.. and if you really knew that, you wouldn’t be confused. Like you said, you grew up as a Chrsitain well, you obviously demonstrate otherwise. I’m kind to others (unless they insult me the way you did) and embrace people of all religions as long as they are good people. That’s a pretty Christian thing to do. I’m following the commandment ‘love your neighbour’. 

 
You said:
I have spoken to a great number of Christians in my time, and I’ve met two, including you, who seem to think that the Bible must be believed unconditionally, contrary to all rational thinking and scientific evidence. Even our local bishop says that evolution makes more sense that creationism. This shows that your brand of ‘Christianity’ reflects only the attitude of a small minority of Christians in the world, and many others do not agree with you, and even despise your views. Indeed, they are shaking their heads at your dogmatic ways.
My reply:
Great number of christians.. wow.. how many would that be? Your only 19.. The age thing again. Ego, try something else; it’s getting old. I talk a lot and to a lot of people, and I read a lot, unlike you. so yeah.. how many would that be? Hundreds. There are a lot of interesting comments made by Christians about the Creation Museum. Here is what I think about secular humanist rational thinking and scientific evidence (which creationist scientist with the same PH’D would argue differently)
 
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, Since I believe in Jesus, this is moot. but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. It seems to me that this is how someone else feels about rational thinking and scientific evidence. I’m sure Ego wasn’t one of the writers of the Bible.19For it is written: In which part of the Bible?
“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; Apparently, Ego, you were one of those ‘wise’.
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”[c]
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Banging their heads in frustration at the stupidity of people like this person who I am sporking. Where is the philosopher of this age? Hiding in an underground bunker waiting for natural selection to do away with said stupidity.  Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? According to Ego, yes. 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, Indeed, many Christians like Ego do not seem to know God, and they think they are wise when they are indeed fools. God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached Like the foolishness of what this little girl preaches, according to Ego. to save those who believe.
 
And the majority argument is a fallcy.. And the majority of Ego’s argument is…I’ll leave you to fill in the space with the word of your choice. I’m much too well-bred to voice my opinion on this matter. just because a great number of people believe something doesn’t make it ok. Many Christians believe that other religions aren’t as good as their own. That’s not okay. If the majority believes it’s ok to say Jesus is a myth, what am I suppose to believe, that the majority is right? Of course not, but I’m biased. You’re talking to a Christian. However, if the majority tells me that creationism is right, am I supposed to believe? You’re implying that no, I’m not supposed to believe anything as long as the majority believes it.If the majority says it’s ok, to get drunk and I know a lot of people that says its ok, what shall I do then, ignore where it says drunkness is a sin? Give me a break, the Word of God supercedes everything. But how can you prove every word of the Bible was set down by God? Science says Supernaturalism doesn’t happen.. Actually, Science admits that there are a lot of strange phenomenon which can’t be explained through scientific reasoning. they say that because it’s not a regular occurance something they can measure but that doesn’t rule it out.. and the Apostles saw Jesus do Supernatural things, and even Jesus’ enemies.. what should I believe a secular humanist b/c science can’t measure it.. go talk to some unprepared person who doesn’t think outside of the box as we are accused of doing. Science is not an ultimatum; it presents you with a number of theories and then asks you to decide after you have weighed the evidence.
 
You said:
Of course, as a Christian, I place my faith in Jesus, but you believe in a whole lot of things that Jesus did not say, for example, the Bible must be taken literally word for word. He never said it, so I won’t take the Bible literally word for word.

My reply:
You see this is what I have a problem with.. you really don’t understand what we mean when we say literally word for word, that isn’t what theology says. We take the Bible as literally true.. but you don’t take where Jesus said “gouge out your eye if it causes you to sin” there is a literal truth behind what He is saying when you read the whole context.. if you read everything around it.. Have read everything around Genesis, and looked at all the fossil evidence, the counter arguments, Christ’s word, and then decided that Genesis is one big metaphor. Jesus is saying that if something causes you to sin, cut it out of your life, deal with it harshly, even if you have to run from it, lke Joseph ran from Potiphar’s Wife. However that doesn’t mean that you take Genesis and say it’s the same language used with the example I gave.. you need to understand literal truth where somethings are used as teaching tools for the imagery involved to when it’s literally talking about real people, places and events. Anyone who reads the first 5 books will find that archeology has backed many things… And refuted many others. no one said you believe every word as a literal word. That
is dangerous if you don’t understand that literal truth is communicated but you have to know the literary style. What you are doing is taking Genesis, and saying it’s symbolic, and applying a text that is a teaching text to apply it to a historical text. And we already talked about what Jesus said.. we disagree.. Jesus talked about Adam in a real personal sense, God is Great (Allahu akbar! Elohim Gadol!) and beyond the undertanding of us mere mortals.  and you are denying that. You sound just like a atheist..You seem very keen on proving that I’m an atheist so you can give me the finger. and I’m wondering if you have been reading atheistic material. I’ve read atheist stuff, Catholic stuff, Lutheran stuff, Muslim stuff, pagan stuff, Buddhist stuff…I can’t be all of those things at once.
 
where did this idea come from.. what books did you read. How much time have you got, Ego? I read about three books a week. I’m getting an education, after all. because you obviously have been influenced by something else for sure. Forget the books, you want to know what makes me tick? Go watch Kingdom of Heaven. It’s written by a Christian.
 
You said:
In the beginning, there was little oxygen, but lots of anaerobic algae
My reply:
Here is the problem. the rocks or this planet formed b/4 any algae. So here is where i have a problem with your free thinking. Oxygen, where did it come from? How was it produced? There was little oxygen, not none. Did you fail English reading comprehension along with science, Ego?  At what point did the algae come into play? When God created life. The rocks show that they were formed in an oxygen rich environment? How much is rich? You know, we need a heck of a lot of Oxygen to survive, while other animals don’t need as much. Rocks formed before planet life I don’t think planets have developed lives of their own yet. did it not? And from what I have quoted from an evolutionary source, oxygen was present when the first cell (algae) existed so how could it evolve or come to exist? These are questions I want answered.. so with your free thinking mind, I’m sure you can tell me all these things. I did mention that I believe God created the world, life, and then initiated evolution, didn’t I? And you are speaking from an evolutionary worldview.. I don’t believe they were the first things alive, or in the evolutionary timescale. You want me to take the worldview of science which denies Supernaturalism and God.. LOL. how is that? No, I want you to embrace the world view where science and God are compatible, and everyone is equal.
 
You said:
As for unicellular organisms becoming multicellular, that happens when these single celled organisms join together in a mass and survive better. They are more like a ’society’, if you like, than a single organism at the moment. However, these cells evolved to rely on one another, and some evolved their own specific adaptations. These ‘masses’ of cells started to form simple multicellular organisms, like jellyfish. Miraculous, but possible; nothing is beyond God, as I said, and I believe that God initiated evolution.
My reply:
LOL.. the fossil record doesn’t support what you are saying.. there is no evidence that single celled ever evolved to multi-celluar organisms.. There is a strata where evidence of single celled organisms were found, and then the next strata, they found some multi-cellular organisms. From logic, it is possible to deduct that these single-celled organisms evolved into multi-cellular organisms. you and many secular humanist evolutionist have a hard time admitting this is an assumption. How about you show me the Creationist point of view then? What, did the first wave of the Flood bury only the single-celled organisms, and then the second wave buried the other single-celled organisms and the multi-cellular organisms?
 
And God didn’t use the evolutionary model of bacteria to man.. because again they contradict. I stand on the Bible as Adam and Eve were created.. and the Bible says birds were created b/4 dinosaurs.. which contradicts the bible.. so we have been over that one b/4.. it’s moot.. i don’t operate in that non-sense assumption basd fatih Are you trying to write Arabic here? I love Arabic! of evolution. And I don’t accept dogmatic fanatical faith.
 
You said:
The west opressed Muslims
My reply:
In what way?

 

 

 

 

Look at Palestine and the situation of common people in all the Middle Eastern countries. Look at the Revolution in Iran, when they overthrew the Shah, who was an American puppet. Look at the Saudi royals who bow to America and exploit their own people because the Americans can benefit, and thus they benefit. Look at the racism.  
 
You said:
Ego, you told me not to generalize. However, you generalize a lot more than I ever can. Did you know that there are people who don’t believe in the Bible but don’t believe in evolution either? What do you call them? They are certainly not ‘neos’. These people I speak of are the Pagans, the people who believe we are an experiment being conducted by aliens and so on and so forth. Follow your own advice and don’t generalize. There are many people who don’t believe in the Bible, and not all of them are like me.
My reply:
Who said I thought that way. I know that pagans had a belief in evolution. You assume I believed that way. I also know pagans who don’t believe in evolution, but they don’t believe in the Bible’s way either.
 
You said:
I don’t need a link to back up my arguments. Some people do own a brain and did pass high school, you know. For fossils that can be found in a number of stratas, all you can say is that they survived for a long time because of their genetic advantages. Look at sharks; they are some of the longest surviving species around. Why? Early on, they evolved streamlined bodies which made them faster than blunt-headed armoured fish, and they could catch more prey even if they did die more easily. More food means better reproduction. They evolved the ability to replace teeth continually, meaning that they could always catch their food. They evolved tough scales for protection from other predators, which made them even better suited to survival. This is natural selection.
 
My reply:
Yeah, you show that very well you don’t back up what you are saying, it’s pretty much your improvising ways…. so if you say that there are people living on another planet, it’s all backed up by brain power, yeah.. ok.. Look, improvisation is a sign of intelligence and quick thinking. At least I passed high school; that’s something you don’t seem to have done.
 
And I’m not an evolutionist I don’t view genetic material the same as an evolutionist.. sorry, preach that to your fellow believers.. If they already believe, then I would be wasting my breath preaching to the converted. i’m not one. You are very adept at pointing out the obvious, Ego. I’m impressed.
 
Your last comment isn’t worth answering. I’ll leave it to Scripture
 
Proverbs 26:4
Do not answer a fool according to his folly, or you will be like him yourself. Answer him only with the supposed Word of God, for then he will be convinced of his folly and repent.
Proverbs 26:3-5 (in Context) Proverbs 26 (Whole Chapter) What, no more quoting?
Proverbs 26:5
Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes. Hey, Ego, maybe I should be more condescending towards you. Otherwise, you’ll think you’re smart.